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No, Today's Music Isn't Boring (A Response To Rick Beato)

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Look I don’t want to start a fight but we need to talk about this.
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So… About a month ago, Rick Beato did a livestream called “Why Today’s Music Is So BORING. The Regression of Musical Innovation.” In it, he attempts to argue that modern music is no longer doing interesting things. He’s wrong. Let’s talk about it.

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  1. The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: https://skl.sh/12tone07210
    Some additional thoughts/corrections:

    1) I'm gonna say this one last time: This video is not a declaration of war. It's not a reckoning on Rick Beato as a creator, as a theorist, or as a person. If you're going to interact with Rick about it at all (And honestly, I'd really rather you didn't.) please engage with kindness and compassion. I don't want to see a bunch of y'all starting fights in his comment sections or anything. That would be the opposite of productive.

    2) Also, while I'm at it, I'm not saying old music is bad, or that you have to listen to and enjoy new music! It's ok to not seek out new music you like if you're happy with the stuff you already have. Most of the songs I make videos on are at least, like, 20 years old, so I get it. But trying to take away the stuff other people enjoy because it's not made for you is bad.

    3) On the topic of 1991, I chose to focus specifically on rock music because that's the genre I'm most familiar with. There's plenty of important things that happened that year in hip-hop, soul, and other styles, I just don't trust myself to curate those lists as accurately as I could with rock. I don't mean to imply that only rock stuff happened, but since Rick and I are both primarily rock enthusiasts, it seemed like the most natural area to focus on for the sake of the argument I was making.

    4) Also on the topic of 1991, To The Extreme by Vanilla Ice spent 8 weeks as the number 1 album that year. I'd be willing to bet that you know, at most, one song off it, and you probably know that song as a joke.

    5) I didn't select my list of modern example songs with this criterion in mind, but it's interesting to me that none of them have harmonies that behave the way Rick says all modern pop harmonies do. Montero is built on two major chords a half-step apart, Pay Your Way In Pain's harmony is mostly just a chromatic sliding bassline, and NDA has that diminished triad arpeggio thing.

    6) The statement "the entire Romantic period was basically just one long, increasingly complicated chord progression" is an intentional oversimplification for emphasis and comedic effect. I don't need you to explain to me that they were doing, like, orchestration stuff too or whatever. I know.

    7) For the sake of transparency, the two songs in Rick's iTunes video where I interpreted his reaction as not entirely positive were Leave Before You Love Me and Good 4 U. The other 8 he seemed pretty completely in favor of, at least as far as I could tell. Feel free to go watch the video and compare for yourself.

    8) Technically, Lemonade was produced by Columbia in partnership with Beyonce's own company, Parkwood Entertainment. I have no idea how the financial risk was distributed between the two companies, but the point remains that Beyonce is in a position to take these sorts of risks because of her success as a major-label artist.

  2. The point he's making is not that today's music is bad cause it's just the same 4 chords, it's that more and more music is becoming this way. It's not bad when some stuff is simple, it's bad when all the stuff is getting to the point of nursery rhymes. Not one modern song I heard in som 10 years was good, it's all shit. And those people you list here – come on, who can really listen to that.

  3. This is a declaration of war!!!
    ???
    Rick Beato is that silly old heads who cries when new music takes over. He is just playing that 'back in my day…' meme.
    When RB is just explaining music and not giving his opinion he is at his best.

  4. Hey man don't be so positive about modern music now not all the artist nowadays is the same as the legendary's back then everything now is about squeeky clean music and soulless destructive music and the music nowadays clearly not learning from the best but instead they're like trying to erase it completely and it's all about following the trend and rules now man there's always a big corporate stuff behind every music now man please understand it!
    Edit: If you're really a musician you'll understand what happening around you but i guess you're clearly blinded by some propaganda or stuff that they making today just consuming it without chewing it

  5. Nice doodles,BUT RICKS POINT STANDS! Rick Has an amazing ear and musical history he is a real rock/jazz performer he understands bands and rock history.You would need to watch more of his videos to understand the one your comenting on, Many months/years of reviewing the pop charts lead up to the video your commenting on.Trust me his 2.5 million subscibers understand what he means and are with him 99.5% I would bet bet. I dont want to sound harsh or fight.. but when you compared what the Beatles did with little nas x and Bille ilish I lost my mind.

  6. Perfect argument, and very much agreed. I can't believe you got over 2000 dislikes for telling the truth.

    I don't like the top of the pops these days very much either, but for all the reasons you listed – in particular the argument if you realize just the basics of how a human memory operates, you make the experiment of going back to say 8 random years and check out the top 10 or top 20, you'll find lots of forgettable or even annoying music. Sure, you can hit upon a year or month that was particularly good, AND the music industry and overall musical landscape today is totally different than it was.

  7. Dude.. this was amazingly good composition of argumentation. How you sounded like you didn't know anything about Rick for the first part of the video, I almost paused to comment on your mistakes half way through the thing. You played with the audience's emotion like a pro and all that only to highlight your point. Well done! I imagine it took a lot of work to put this together.

  8. This was an interesting perspective on Rick’s video…I’ve decided to stop telling my 18 year old daughter how sucky her generation’s music is based on this. She’d probably like to thank you personally for that if she could. ?

  9. Everything I do, I do it for you was a huge song, and Bryan Adams was a huge artist. At least his music is good. Number 4 that year was Right Said Fred, I'm too Sexy. Now that is a terrible song (though it was funny).

  10. The actual issue that I see here is that you're assuming you know his entire argument but you didn't watch any of his other videos that discuss his full arguments.

    He goes into several things in those videos, including how recording is done, how recording tools actually can hamper innovation, etc… and that's just the tip of his actual argument.

    His attempts here in these videos is not to say "my music is better" but to say "don't make these mistakes when recording".

    I'm not mad at you, and don't want to start a fight here, but I feel if you're going to start these arguments, you should start buy understanding the entire argument you're disagreeing with first.

    Also: Since you talked about the guys skin color – slash is half black and don't forget Body Count released an album in 92, living colour released one in 90 and seasons in the Abyss, one of Slayers most well known albums was released in 90 as well. BTW, none of those bands are fronted by white dudes.

  11. I feel sorry for all the young people commenting "nailed it" on this topic. Please, I beg you, dive into the greatest hits, one hit wonders and also all the hidden gems of the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s music and give it a chance. No auto tune, music with soul, not always big profits in mind, music written and performed a lot of times without thinking to attract the big masses, and so on and so on, compared with most of todays creations. And then reply again. I predict not so many more "nailed it" comments ?

  12. I find that Rick tends to be ill informed and screams boomer energy. I watched his follow up stream and was super disappointed. I don’t want a fight but an Academic debate or ideas, I think it’d be a very interesting and important to have a conversation about this idea. I’d love to see a convo/collabe with them two

  13. Great video.
    As you said, I don't think that Rick's motives aren't to trash talk new and modern music that's why I'm always surprised about the positivity he puts into his 'Top 10 Spotify' songs, because although he seems to be disappointed deep down, he still manages to be objectively positive. (Can't say the same for the comment section..)

  14. The first set of songs you played was still way better than the second. My issue with modern pop music is its over produced and sounds fake. I still like some pop artists though, like Taylor swift for example

  15. i love beato but his going to spotify top tens for modern music id just not enough, i do think hes got the same issue a lot of people do that somehow led zepplin was the mainstream or that the beatles never wrote pure trash or that kut cobain wouldnt love and adore a good number of modern musicians and artists.

  16. If it's the "sieve of time" (undoubtedly a real phenomenon) where is the actual good music being produced by contemporary artists? Where is it? Maybe those examples you posted are "interesting", but they aren't good. They don't have a bright melody that I can remember 5 seconds after you've posted the example. I haven't heard almost any of it in more than 20 years. Every time I have to actually listen to contemporary music on the radio, it is so insipid as to be positively offensive. At least the bad stuff from the early 90s was mostly just forgettable rather than offensively bad. That Bryan Adams song was a pretty good song, and still memorable in 2021. Not my absolute favourite, but definitely more memorable than any song from 2021 is going to be in 30 years time.

  17. "Pupular music isn't good anymore" Bitch, listen to Hallucinate by Dua Lipa. Listen to Harry Styles. Listen to TxT last album.
    And I'm saying this even tho my preference for music fits into the "indie" category. I like bands like Dance Gavin Dance, Nothing but Thieves, Archenemy, Polyphia… And I grew up listening to Metallica because my father loves them.
    Really, saying that there isn't good pop music is just being close-minded at this point

  18. Complexity in music waxes and wanes over time as each generation challenges the precedence. Mozart harmony is far simpler than Bach. Steve Reich’s minimalism is a reaction against Stockhausen and music concrete. Plus la change.

  19. Hey 12tone. I love this video because it helps me as a music producer. Id like to ask you if you can do a video on a music genre called Amapiano. The artist to look at would be Kabza de Small and DJ Maporisa. One song in particular would be Emcimbini by the two artists i mentioned earlier. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming.

  20. I would potentially suggest Rick was more interested in plugging his book and courses, because he comes back to the sale as a way to be a "high information" musician while denigrating modern pop.

  21. What Ric mentioned specifically was Top 40 radio music… there’s a lot of interesting independent stuff happening, but mostly what you hear on the radio sucks! Through the whole 20th century the Radio was thick with innovation and good lyric writing and amazing music on the radio in all decades..
    Sometime in the mid 90s things took a nosedive… Right after the whole grunge thing happened… there’s always good songs that come out here in there, but it’s not thick like it used to be.. everything kind of sounds the same nowadays on the radio… It’s corporate… Pop music country music it all sounds the same…
    When you hear Ricki don’t lose that number, or Hotel California or superstition or when doves cry you hear peopleWho took the time to be really thoughtful and CRAFT some thing excellent and original.., It just doesn’t happen like that much anymore…

  22. The comments here have me encouraged for mankind. Rick Beato puts a lot of (good!) stuff out there and challenging ideas is good for all of us. This particular idea of “The era of crappy music” I have bought into. But I look at at more as the popular demand is for music like that. Let’s take Hip Hop which is like north of 30% of popular music?? Beautifully complex melodic lines against soaring harmony doesn’t work for the style….at all. Rhythmic interest is the musical strongpoint of the genre, IMHO. This leaves harmony and orchestration as empty fields. Similar things are happening in many genre’s appeal to the masses as a backdrop and not as their own stage. Interestingly btw, something my example of Hip Hop does not suffer from….at all.

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